2009-01-28 Wiki Strategy Meeting Agenda
From: David Walker <DHWalker@ucdavis.edu>
To: Curtis Bray <clbray@ucdavis.edu>, Hampton Sublett <hbsublett@ucdavis.edu>, Kirk Alexander <kdalex@ucdavis.edu>, Charles Turner <cjturner@ucdavis.edu>, Brian Donnelly <bdonnelly@ucdavis.edu>
Cc: Kathleen M Beyer <kmbeyer@ucdavis.edu>, David H Walker <dhwalker@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Wiki strategy
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:45:57 -0800
Kirk
Charlie
Brian
Curtis
Hampton
I think you're all aware that an electronic mail exchange among Pete, Liz, and me last week has resulted in us creating an ad hoc group to look into a wiki strategy for IET and how those services might be shared outside of UCD.
I've cc'd Kathy to schedule an hour for us to talk about this. Here's a proposed agenda for that first meeting:
Review of what we want to accomplish
* Overview of SmartSite's current wiki capabilities
* Overview of Confluence at UCD
* Current relationship between SmartSite and Confluence
* Desired future relationship between SmartSite and Confluence
* Challenges to sharing SmartSite and Confluence outside UCD
* Next steps
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This is a lot to accomplish in an hour, so let's plan to keep the three "current state" items brief, assuming everyone already has basic knowledge (except, perhaps, me). If we have time, we can start brainstorming strategies, but just having an understanding of the issues is a good start.
David
From: David Walker <DHWalker@ucdavis.edu>
To: Elizabeth Gibson <emgibson@ad3.ucdavis.edu>
Cc: Peter M. Siegel <pmsiegel@ucdavis.edu>, David Walker <DHWalker@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: RE: Something for the ITLC to think about?
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:13:36 -0800
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> Liz and Pete,
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> Some observations:
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> It does sounds like a good idea for UCD to have a wiki strategy, and pulling something in "off the shelf" certainly seems better than building something. Kirk's short statement would be good source material for developing the strategy, and then we could post current recommendations along with a (potentially different) future on IET's web site.
> * There's a conference call of the ITAG tomorrow afternoon, and the work plan for 2009 is on the agenda. A draft of that plan has already been forwarded to the ITLC, but there's probably no great harm in amending it. The result of the ITAG's discussion would educate how important we might think it is to "Shibbolize" SmartSite.
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> It seems to me that there are a few issues we need to explore:
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> What would it mean to integrate Confluence into Sakai? Single sign-on (e.g., Shibboleth) is one thing, but there are probably others.
> * What overlap is there between Confluence and SmartSite, and what distinguishes the two? (This is Kirk's document.)
> * What is the best way to add non-UCD people SmartSite community? We certainly can add the UCTrust/InCommon campus communities through "Shibbolization," but there will be others we'll want to add? Would it be most expedient to add them to the UCD community or one of the other campus communities within InCommon, rather than creating a SmartSite-specific community?
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> I'll raise this in the ITAG call tomorrow and let you know what they say. Which of us should talk about the other issues? Kirk, me, and who else?
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> David
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> On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 12:25 -0800, Elizabeth Gibson wrote:
> Pete and David
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> > One immediate thought that comes to mind is that the wiki in SmartSite needs updating, and it is on the to-do list, but no campus has picked up the banner to do the work. Probably because everyone uses Confluence or similar software for the more advanced wiki capabilities.
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> > I keep hoping that perhaps Confluence might be interested in developing an interface to Sakai so that campuses willing to buy it and who have Sakai as their LMS, could bypass the internal wiki and use Confluence. Quite frankly I see no point in spending $$$ and time developing something in Sakai that would be 2nd best, at best, to Confluence - when all that development work has already been done...
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> > David - perhaps it might be worth contacting Confluence to see their interest levels for developing an interface to LMS's such as Sakai and Moodle... ?
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> > It would be worthwhile asking Kirk to develop a short definitive statement that could be put on an IET webpage somewhere that defines what types of needs are best satisfied by SmartSite, and which by Confluence. If you think that would be useful, I'd be happy to ask him.
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> > So - it would depend on how ITAG or others would be using this online resource, as to whether it would best be met by Confluence or Sakai.
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> > We do not have plans at the moment for "Shibbolizing" SmartSite. Is this something we should prioritize ? We are hoping to have "Guest access" ready by spring- so a UCD site owner can invite non-UCD participants by adding them to their site. The guests would be able to log on to SmartSite without a Kerberos password (they would have a SmartSite password instead) and would only have access to the site(s) they have guest access on.
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> > Thanks
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> > Liz
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> > From: Peter M. Siegel
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:53 AM
> > To: David H Walker
> > Cc: Elizabeth Gibson
> > Subject: RE: Something for the ITLC to think about?
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> > Yes. I'm thinking though that ITAG might as a group propose this approach and use say two campuses as "model" campuses for providing such services (as a demonstration). UCLA could be one. If you agree, could you "invert" your proposal, i.e. write it as a proposal from me to ITLC on behalf of the ITAG group. Obviously, your group would need to be on board. As an ITLC member, I am guessing folks may see a dark cloud with the silver lining---what are the policy issues for giving non-campus folks the ability to manage such lists, who is going to be allowed to delegate, etc. Can you allay those concerns in your proposal?
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> > I'm copying Liz, also, to ask: what about SmartSite for similar uses---where are we on Shibbolizing? That is, Dave/Liz, could Davis be a second-such campus?
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> > Pete
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> > _________________________________
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> > Peter M. Siegel
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> > CIO and Vice Provost
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> > Information & Educational Technology
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> > UC Davis
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> > http://vpiet.ucdavis.edu/
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> > From: David Walker [mailto:DHWalker@ucdavis.edu]
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:27 AM
> > To: Peter M. Siegel
> > Subject: Something for the ITLC to think about?
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> > Pete,
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> > UCLA's Confluence wiki is starting to be used by groups that include UCLA people, but are not led by UCLA. The first two were mine (UCTrust and ITAG), and Hampton has a couple. This is largely because it's been "Shibbolized" and can be used via UCTrust / InCommon; they've also added some nice group management features for group administrators. The issue of UC's multiple Confluence instances was also raised as an aside during one of the ITAG calls. This raises two questions in my mind that I might have dismissed without action if I hadn't just returned from vacation:
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> > Would it make sense for UC to run a common Confluence infrastructure for campus-sponsored collaborations?
> > * Would it make sense to ask ITAG to address a common architecture for collaboration-supporting services? I think the common architecture is mostly identity management, so it could also be the UCTrust group that looks into this under the ITAG umbrella.
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> > David
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> > ------ Forwarded Message ------
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> > From: Hampton Sublett <hbsublett@ucdavis.edu>
> > To: 'albertwu@ucla.edu' <albertwu@ucla.edu>
> > Cc: Karen A Osborne <kaosborne@ucdavis.edu>, 'bborden@finance.ucla.edu' <bborden@finance.ucla.edu>, David H Walker <dhwalker@ucdavis.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Connexxus Wiki Space
> > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:26:52 -0800
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> > Albert,
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> > Thank you very much. You can put me as the administrator and I'll work to train Karen on the functionality.
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> > Regards,
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> > Hampton
> > (Sent via Backberry)
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> > From: Wu, Albert
> > To: Hampton Sublett
> > Cc: Karen A Osborne; Borden, Belinda ; David H Walker
> > Sent: Mon Dec 22 11:48:43 2008
> > Subject: RE: Connexxus Wiki Space
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> > Hi Karen and Hampton,
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> > Yes. I can create a space for the UCD Connexxus project.
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> > Since the majority of people logging in will likely be non-technical people from UCD, I do have to clarify that wiki hosting is not an official AIS/UCLA service. Everything is pretty much provided "AS-IS". There is no help desk behind the wiki other than me. Some one at UCD should be the designated support contact in case there are issues viewing/editing the wiki pages.
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> > If you'd like to proceed, please let me know and I'll provision the space.
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> > albert
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> > ----Original Message----
> > From: Hampton Sublett [mailto:hbsublett@ucdavis.edu]
> > Sent: Fri 12/19/2008 2:12 PM
> > To: Wu, Albert
> > Cc: Karen A Osborne; Borden, Belinda; David H Walker
> > Subject: Connexxus Wiki Space
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> > Hi Albert,
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> > I recently attended a Connexxus meeting focused primarily on the UCD implementation and the question was raised about a wiki presence. Given that there were members of UCLA (Belinda Borden), UCOP, UCD and a few vendors and wondered in a sight, similar to the UCLA Connexxus site, could be set up for this effort (given that's it has federated access).
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> > If so, let me introduce Karen Osbourne, project manager for this project. Please send her any pertinent information.
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> > If not, we'll figure something else out.
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> > Thank you,
> > Hampton
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